You are visitor number  (per WebCounter) to our site! - please send us your feedback

Is the Shiva-Linga a phallic symbol?

Primitive sexuality, symbolic anthropology and transgressive sacrality

[This digest is still being compiled and copy-edited]

[Part I / Part II]

This ongoing (debate on the) hermeneutics of the Shiva-Linga and its (supposed) 'phallic symbolism'—sparked off by Sathia's post of 5th July 2003 to the Akandabaratam forum that suggested a resemblance to Mount Kailash—is actually composed of multiple intertwined threads that I have attempted to distinguish for the sake of intelligibility by thick blue separator-lines. Most of the exchanges—particularly among Sathia, Pathmarajah Nagalingam, K. Loganathan, Ram Varmha, Paul Kekai Manansala—took place at Akandabaratam, though my (Sunthar's) forwarding of some of the threads, along with my own responses, to the Abhinava forum also sustained parallel discussions there that included Steven A. Feite, Antonio de Nicolás and others. My commentaries are sometimes preceded by relevant citations from the Elizabeth's and my published papers, on Bhairava-worship and transgressive sacrality, available at the svAbhinava site. The attentive reader will note that certain key themes keep resurfacing from fresh angles so as to shed light on the complex treatment of sexuality in traditional Hindu culture in relation to spirituality. In order to help the reader remain focused on the central issues, I have streamlined the messages—for example, by deleting digressions and some citations—while providing links to the original unedited posts. In addition, I have inserted introductory comments to contextualize the posts [Do let me know if your views have been inadvertently omitted or distorted: this is an evolving archive!]. The intertwined thread that subsequently emerged around the archaic (and not just Indian) cult of the serpent has been compiled into a separate digest despite its relevance to our understanding of the Shiva-linga (see listing of related links below). In order to facilitative further reflection on the relation between phallicism and spirituality without simply repeating earlier arguments but building upon them constructively, I'd like to offer some concise clarifications—a conceptual grid as it were—of my own take on the opposing perspectives that are under question in this controversy:

Shiva-Linga and phallic worship: Though the aniconic representation of Shiva is rarely perceived to be such by the vast majority of Hindus who worship it regularly in the temples, its genealogy can be traced back to the realistic images of the phallus, often coupled with yoni-rings that have been found in Mohenjodaro.

Tantric sexuality: 

Symbolic anthropology: [to be replaced: Hindu tradition is replete with motifs—such as phallus worship, incest, decapitation, patricide, etc.—that have been explained away within the didactics and apologetics of the exoteric tradition as allegories for profound metaphysical insights. Though the analytical categories and tools in contemporary ‘scientific’ discourse for a systematic and comparative hermeneutics of such ‘transgressive’ symbolism are available only in psychoanalysis, the latter is unable to appropriate these striking ‘confirmations’ without imposing a procrustean straitjacket on the Indian materials. The Freudian legacy—its core principles, therapeutic practices, mode of transmission, institutional ethics, scientific status, cultural politics, and the motives of the founder himself—is moreover being subjected to cogent critique, even and especially, from within the Western intellectual tradition. Instead of remaining a mere ‘object’ for Indological appropriation, the Hindu semiotic system—as embodied by the ‘patient’ Ganesha—must be unraveled by reformulating and universalizing its own esoteric traditions in a ‘psychoanalytically informed’ manner.] 

Hindu psychoanalysis:

 

Related threads at svAbhinava:

 

Phallic worship, the triune brain and the serpent power: Can Tantrism help neuroscience reclaim primitive religion?

The Eunuch and the Androgyne

 

Hermeneutics of Ganesha: Psychoanalysis, Hindu Wisdom and Transgressive Sacrality

 

What is ‘rationality’? primitivism, philosophy and semiotics

                                                                 

This thread-compilation will be eventually complemented by others on psychoanalysis and Orientalism; in the meantime please check out the (incomplete) Abhinavagupta forum-index under the following headings and topics:

 

[Divinities:Ganesha; Esotericism:Psychoanalysis; Politics:Orientalism]

 

Index to threads below on the "Shiva-Linga" controversy:

 

Shiva Lingam

Re: Shiva Lingam

Re: Shiva Lingam

Lingam is Icon of Siva

Re: Lingam is Icon of Siva

Lingam is Icon of Siva

Is the Linga a Phallus? ask the Kabbalists, Freud and (sv)Abhinava!

Re: Is the Linga a Phallus? ask the Kabbalists, Freud and (sv)Abhinava!

The Replicating LiGkam

Re: Lingam is Icon of Siva

Re: Lingam is Icon of Siva

Is the snake a phallic symbol? Don't ask Mr. Nâga-lingam!

Re: Is the snake a phallic symbol? Don't ask Mr. Nâga-lingam!

Sunthar Means Cream?

The Book as the origin of culture and religion – is 'Hinduism' (the product of) a literate civilization?

Ekapâda Bhairava, Ahir Budhnya and the 'Unborn' One-Footed 'Goat' (Aja) - should Hindus be taken at their Word?

Re: Ekapâda Bhairava, Ahir Budhnya and the 'Unborn' One-Footed 'Goat' (Aja) - should Hindus be taken at their Word?

Ekapâda Bhairava and the phallic pillar-worship of Dionysus—diffusion alone does not account for similarities

Re: Ekapâda Bhairava and the phallic pillar-worship of Dionysus—diffusion alone does not account for similarities

Re: Ekapâda Bhairava and the phallic pillar-worship of Dionysus—diffusion alone does not account for similarities

Lord GaNeZa caught red-handed in Hugh Heffner’s Chicago penthouse - online petition to revoke his green card?

Why are all the traditional (castrated?) forms of Shiva and Ganesha depicted without a penis? The scholar's accountability!

Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Why are all the traditional (castrated?) forms of Shiva and Ganesha depicted without a penis? The scholar's accountability!

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Why are all the traditional (castrated?) forms of Shiva and Ganesha depicted without a penis? The scholar's accountability!

Re: Why are all the traditional (castrated?) forms of Shiva and Ganesha depicted without a penis? The scholar's accountability!

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Why are all the traditional (castrated?) forms of Shiva and Ganesha depicted without a penis? The scholar's accountability!

Re: Why are all the traditional (castrated?) forms of Shiva and Ganesha depicted without a penis? The scholar's accountability!

Linga technicalities from Cambodia

Re: Why are all the traditional (castrated?) forms of Shiva and Ganesha depicted without a penis? The scholar's accountability!

Re: Why are all the traditional (castrated?) forms of Shiva and Ganesha depicted without a penis? The scholar's accountability!

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Why are all the traditional (castrated?) forms of Shiva and Ganesha depicted without a penis? The scholar's accountability!

Re: Why are all the traditional (castrated?) forms of Shiva and Ganesha depicted without a penis? The scholar's accountability!

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Fw: [agamicpsychology] castration complex

[agamicpsychology] castration complex

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva [zizna-devâh - Sumerian derivation? - SV]

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

Re: Forms of Siva

RE: Forms of Siva

Phallus Worship and Tamils

Ascendance Through Sex

Re: Ascendance Through Sex

Re: Forms of Siva

Ardhanarisvara and the Linga-Yoni

Re: Ardhanarisvara and the Linga-Yoni

Phantasising of PHALLACY.

Re: Fw: Fantasizing of PHALLACY.

 

 

Subject

 Shiva Lingam

From:  Sathia [Abhinava msg #???? – order of thread reversed]

Date:  Sat Jul 5, 2003  6:09 pm

To: [Akandabaratam msg #6301]

Dear Friends,

Could the Shiva Lingam be a representation of Mount Kailash?

The shape of Mount Kailash certainly looks like a Shiva lingam.

Regards,

Sathia


Subject

 Re: Shiva Lingam

From:  S. Kalyanaraman 

DateSat Jul 5, 2003  8:43 pm

To: [Akandabaratam msg #6303]

Yes, indeed, Sathia.

S'iva sits in penance on Mt. Kailas summit. He marries parvata putri_, Parvati. He is a mountain divinity. Out of his locks emerges Ganga, re-routed by Bhagiratha. The association of S'iva with Himalaya is intense. As is the metaphor of Durga, Mother divinity.

Himalaya is the great water tower which provides fresh water to 250 crore people in China, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Burma and Bharat. No wonder, the a_gama prescribes a dripping kalas'a adorning a s'iva linga -- a clear representation of the water source. Kalidasa calls Himalaya the devata_tma_ in the very first invocatory verse in Kumarasambhavam.

The metaphor is vivid, emphatic and unambiguous. So, the finds of s'iva linga in Harappa and Kalibangan with clear bases showing water flows out of abhishekam....

Kalyanaraman


Subject

 Re: Shiva Lingam

From:  Dr. K Loganathan

Date:  Sat Jul 5, 2003  9:39 pm

To: [Akandabaratam msg #6304]

Dear Dr Kalyan

Thank you for this. I think Siva Lingkam has been found in many parts of the world and it may an element of the Collective Unconcious( to use an Jungian concept). It may be already in the depths of the mind but pulled into consciousness by some encounter with the environment especially of the sort where there are hills and rivers of the sort for example the Himalayas. This is something the Shinto kami, seeing of spirit in some outstanding natural features. naive Hindus worship even anthills as aform of Sivalingkam.

The Siva Lingkam as Tirmular has analysedd extenssively is the union of Natam and Bindu and which in mantra language is the union of akaaram and ukaaram and shows itself as aNdalingkam piNdalingkam,cataaciava lingkam aathma lingkam and so forth

It is interesting that even in Sumerian literature, the Kes Temple Hymn which I take as a Hymn on Siva called Keeci ( kaaci?), the Sadaiyan we have similar descriptions - mountains and rivers as aspects of Siva

See below. the liines are from Kes temple Hymn of En Hudu Anna ( C. 2200 BC). Line 52 mentions hills ( Kur, kunRu) and rivers (id, id-da, idim-ma Ta. iidu, oodai)

Loga

The Symbols of Civa

The iconographic identity of Civa given in the following lines seem to be quite unmistakable:

51. e an-se utug-sul ki-se tun-am ( Temple, at its top a heroic mace?, at its bottom an axe)

*Ta. el vaanceey udukku cuul kiizceey tuuN aam ( Temple at its top a trident with the drum, kiizceey really the pillar /lingam)

( utug Ta. udukku: double faced hand drum; sul Ta. cuula, cuulam: the spear. tun Ta. tuuN: piLLar; also the pillar -like civalingm? Also note Ta. tuN : to cut asunder)

52. an-se kur-ra-am ki-se idim-ma-am ( Temple , at its to a mountain, at its bottom a spring)

*Ta. vaanceey kunRu aam, kiizceey iidimma aam ( Temple , at its top a mountain, at its bottom a spring)

( idim-ma Ta. iidu> oodu, oodai : a small river with flowing waters.)

 The utug-sul is very certainly the "udukku-cuul " the Tricuul with the hand drum, an iconographic feature of Civa to this day , one of the forms he is worshiped in the North and South of India and elsewhere. And this leads us to think that the 'tun' at the ground level of the temple is the Ta. tuuN but here the Civalingam, where the term 'lingam' meaning 'symbol" is perhaps not native to Tamil, a word that perhaps displaced the original "tuuN" a word still in use (Ta. taaNu) to describe the Civalingam.

Reinforcing this identification is that of 'kur-ra' , Ta. kuNru and "idim-ma" the stream ( *Ta. iidimma> oodai?) > This word is retained more as metaphor Ta. iidu : a very extensive commentary, something that flows like a river?. The very extensive commentaries on Nalaayira Divya Prabantams are called "iidu" perhaps in this sense.

The KunRu, the Hill, is certainly relatable conceptually to the " Kailash", the abode of Civa, the "idim-ma" with the Ganga that flows always from His tuft. We note here that the word Ganga is relatable to Su. seg-ga: heavy downpour and the Malay sungai : river. ( seg-ga, sungai> kengka > Ta kangkai)


Subject

 Lingam is Icon of Siva

From:  Pathmarajah Nagalingam

Date:  Thu Oct 9, 2003  5:48 am

To: [Akandabaratam msg #7651]

If I may add to the understanding on this matter.

Lingam in Sanskrit means mark, symbol, representation or icon. Yoni means base, nest, place, place of resting or seat. It is a symbol of Siva placed on a base. That’s all. Correct understanding of the Sanskrit language itself gives a full understanding of the word and meanings.

It is an amorphous (lacking definite form/not human like) icon of Siva representing the unrepresentable transcendent BEING. That’s why its amorphous. Nothing more should be drawn from it. It does not represent creation or regeneration.

It is the icon of the anthropomorphic Nataraja that represents creation, etc. and the immanent BEING, and the personal Lord, as well as the pentapraxis functions of the Lord.

There are other meanings for the linga and yoni too BUT they are incompatible with the subject being discussed. (Just like pasupathi in the context of the Vedas means lord of souls and not 'owner of cattle', as the Vedas does not deal with livestock). Persons who do not (want to) know Sanskrit (deliberately) use